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You never know. It could still be done. Not too late.


I was always curious as to what Candiria might have been able to do, but rarely did they incorperate both elements into the same song - their hip hop tracks tended to stick to simply being a hip hop track amongst a bunch of metallic tracks, but at least they weren't completely horrible on the hip hop tracks.


They were fairly substandard when compared with their ability and many of the better tunes i.e; ALL of "300% Density"

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Nu metal should have been better than it was.

Combining punishing loops of Helmet/Prong style riffing with the darkest and most dangerous '90s gangsta rap (Wu Tang, Mobb Deep, Onyx) is a bloody good idea, the reality of it was another whiny watering-down of both sides of the equation. Godflesh's 'Songs Of Love And Hate' distilled this, and then, crucially, they moved on.


Like with most genres, it became watered down with crap. Primer 55, Dope, Slaves On Dope, Crossbreed, Ill Nino, Hed (PE), Skillet, 36 Crazyfists, Puya, Nonpoint, Spineshank, Flaw, Skindread, Crazytown, Dry Kill Logic, Clawfinger, Skrape, Deadsy, 40 Below Summer, shit tons more- working at a radio station that played 'extreme music', I got promos from all these bands. Some of them were a lot better than others, but it was all so derivative and tedious. It got old reeaaally fast.


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Clawfinger totally had all the best lyrics though.

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Do this, do that, come here, you twat!

Genius!

I might have to DL Deafdumbblind again. I never hated it, it was too funny for that. And Rosegrove was a belter of a track


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Exactly the lyric I had in mind, old boy. And you're right about 'Rosegrove', too.

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I may have to work into general conversation "I've had it up to here with your shit and your piss!"

Absolute genius!


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Like with most genres, it became watered down with crap. Primer 55, Dope, Slaves On Dope, Crossbreed, Ill Nino, Hed (PE), Skillet, 36 Crazyfists, Puya, Nonpoint, Spineshank, Flaw, Skindread, Crazytown, Dry Kill Logic, Clawfinger, Skrape, Deadsy, 40 Below Summer, shit tons more- working at a radio station that played 'extreme music', I got promos from all these bands. Some of them were a lot better than others, but it was all so derivative and tedious. It got old reeaaally fast.


that's a rollcall of shit right there.

I hated nu-metal but I was part of the grumpy generation who could never view it as anything other than the worst thing to happen to metal ever.

I was openminded just enough to accept Deftones, SOAD and Slipknot.

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Well Deftones are quality, they don't deserve to be lumped in with Nu Metal in general, and SOAD are good at what they do, even if I'd like to sew the singers mouth shut.

I liked the first few Korn, although they never really went anywhere interesting after that for me, and the early albums haven't aged that well IMO.

I never got why Slipknot were more highly regarded than other bands of the era. I remember seeing them and Disturbed at Ozzfest, and both were genuinely laughably bad on every level. And its not even a case of them not being to my taste, I'm happy to give credit where its due for a good live performance at least, but both of them horrible in every conceivable way, sound, performance, songs, really terrible. Charmless and without any content whatsoever. One of the guys who went with us was a big Slipknot fan, and he went primarily to see them, and even he was gobsmacked at how terrible they were. Maybe it was an off night, but I really thought it was a bad joke.


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deadthyme wrote:
Like with most genres, it became watered down with crap. Primer 55, Dope, Slaves On Dope, Crossbreed, Ill Nino, Hed (PE), Skillet, 36 Crazyfists, Puya, Nonpoint, Spineshank, Flaw, Skindread, Crazytown, Dry Kill Logic, Clawfinger, Skrape, Deadsy, 40 Below Summer, shit tons more- working at a radio station that played 'extreme music', I got promos from all these bands. Some of them were a lot better than others, but it was all so derivative and tedious. It got old reeaaally fast.


that's a rollcall of shit right there.

I hated nu-metal but I was part of the grumpy generation who could never view it as anything other than the worst thing to happen to metal ever.

I was openminded just enough to accept Deftones, SOAD and Slipknot.


36 Crazyfists were never really a Nu-Metal band they just got lumped with them unfortunately. Ill Nino, Hed (PE) and Spineshank were also the tits. Less of the grumpy guts.

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I was openminded just enough to accept Deftones, SOAD and Slipknot.

I wasn't. Complete shite.

I do have a soft spot for Spineshank's Height of Callousness, however.

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Clawfinger totally had all the best lyrics though.


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You're the real nigger!


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Do Rage Against The Machine fall in with that group? 'Cause they were quite good at what they did, Public Enemy-esque rapping with big heavy riffs.

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Big fan of CLAWFINGER over here. "Are you Man Enough", "Wrong State of Mind", "Recipe for Hate" and plenty more. Good shit.

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Do Rage Against The Machine fall in with that group? 'Cause they were quite good at what they did, Public Enemy-esque rapping with big heavy riffs.

I'm not sure they were that good, though. I used to really love them, but now I can't help but think they had some good ideas but only got it right on their first album. Tom Morello is a really great guitarist, but a lot of his actual riffs (rather than effects pedal noodling) actually sound pretty similar. Zach was a terrible rapper too.
EDIT: The first album is really bloody good, though.

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I used to really love them, but now I can't help but think they had some good ideas but only got it right on their first album.


This, completely.


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Fhil wrote:
Do Rage Against The Machine fall in with that group? 'Cause they were quite good at what they did, Public Enemy-esque rapping with big heavy riffs.

I'm not sure they were that good, though. I used to really love them, but now I can't help but think they had some good ideas but only got it right on their first album. Tom Morello is a really great guitarist, but a lot of his actual riffs (rather than effects pedal noodling) actually sound pretty similar. Zach was a terrible rapper too.
EDIT: The first album is really bloody good, though.



They slayed Download 2010...it was magical and Zach still had some real spit to his voice.

I used to like a lot of nu-metal, Height Of Callousness was a decent album at what it did. As was Static X's stuff. Slaves On Dope and Dry Kill Logic were good because they didn't pussy out with shit choruses. 5 Point O were also good.

Deftones and Slipknot aren't really nu-metal but unfortunately got lumped in to the era. And both bands are genuinely good bands I think.

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I saw RATM at Leeds festival and they weren't very good. The only time there was any crowd interaction was to say, "can you stop jumping around so much, please? Security have told us you have to be quieter."

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Fhil wrote:
Do Rage Against The Machine fall in with that group? 'Cause they were quite good at what they did, Public Enemy-esque rapping with big heavy riffs.

I'm not sure they were that good, though.


No, and I remember being actively excited in the run-up to the release of the RATM debut cos some lying rag said it sounded like Anthrax and Public Enemy had collaborated on an album. So I eagerly push the tape into the walkman on the bus home from town and there's this funky riffing and a singer who yelps like a little kid. Pfff, I thought.

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He made an alright hardcore vocalist- it's those typical gruff throat punch straight edge vocals, but it sounded good with the music. I got his old band's 7" back 'in the day' (cheesy, I know) and liked them pretty good- used to love that song "Discrepancy".

I just recently found out he was their vocalist, it kind of surprised me.



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