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Dropped through the letter box today.
A few initial thoughts before delving into it properly..

Firstly, Varg on the cover.
I don't have an issue with it in it self. However on the Tez FB page, there was an article about The Meads of Asphodel, and someone from the mag said how they where hesitant to cover (and by cover, I assume they mean one measly review) The Wolves of Avalon because Rob Darken did vocals on one track. Now let's get this straight you don't want to cover a band because of a guest musician, but you more than happy to put a convicted murderer, who's also openly racist (After the this years Norwegian shootings for example, Varg released a statement, and somehow managed to turn it in to a scathing attack on the Jews.) on the cover.

It just strikes me as the magazine having massive double standards to be honest.

Plus it's odd that in true/false Louise lists racism as false, as if they are somehow trying to prove the magazine itself is squeeky clean, and Darrell listing Varg as false, its as if even though they covered him, the staff disapprove of him. Hardly a coherent message being sent out is it? Actively endorsing him by putting him on the cover with one hand, but then denouncing him and his beliefs with the other.

I haven't read much of it other than the first few pages though, but seems alright from a quick flick through.

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There's a difference between the magazine and the individuals who work for it.

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So how does the reader distinguish this difference?


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Ed Blackadder wrote:
There's a difference between the magazine and the individuals who work for it.

Indeed, but surely the writers have a remit to adhere to the ethos of the magazine (if such a thing exists) and the standards it claims to have? If the magazine itself is promoting a particular artist/group (or, more likely, selling issues of the back of the controversy said artist/group provokes), and the individual writers present an opposing point of view, should not the magazine itself reflect that in a more meaningful way than some childish 'True/False box', maybe an actual debate of the issue, rather than present two opposing 'philosophies', for want of a better word?

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Ed Blackadder wrote:
There's a difference between the magazine and the individuals who work for it.

The magazine doesn't write itself though. Those who work for it undoubtedly have some say about it.
The big issue with me was the double standards.

The quote in question about WoA was "did you notice we were too nervous to cover that one? Rob Darken... what a wally?" to me that's saying 'we' as if it was some concious decision by everyone at the magazine not to cover it. So why if they were too nervous to feature a band who have merely collaborated with a guy with questionable beliefs on one song, are they perfectly happy to have an article/interview with someone far more outspoken about their questionable beliefs and a convicted murderer, and not just that, but put them on the cover?

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Annihislater wrote:
Ed Blackadder wrote:
There's a difference between the magazine and the individuals who work for it.

The magazine doesn't write itself though. Those who work for it undoubtedly have some say about it.

Absolutely. I remember Chantler hinting at something along the lines of what Ed expressed here before. Sorry, but it's bollocks to try to separate the writers from the magazine. You can't have your cake and eat it too.


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No it's this image
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with the tag line Exclusive! "I Had Everything I Needed To Conduct Warfare"

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Talentless.

Fucking.

Dickhead.

But, even by saying this, it feeds into the whole "controversy" and validates him, his music and the front page feature.


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Varg on the cover is distasteful.


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M0rf))) wrote:
"We don't condone racism and xenophobia but we think ol' uncle Vargy on the cover will shift copies."

That's about the size of it.

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Well Burzum is one of the biggest black metal artists, having recent releases and a lot of controversy surrounding him perhaps making him "exciting" or "relevant" are decent reasons. Personally, I think he shouldn't be given a platform, he shouldn't be even be acknowledged, but it's just a music magazine so I don't expect them to have strong ethics, they should just be honest about that and consistent.


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I read the Varg feature today. I found it rather interesting, there was a variety of topics discussed. Sure he comes across like a bit of an idiot at times, but some of the none controversial stuff he says some interesting things on.

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Annihislater wrote:
but some of the none controversial stuff he says some interesting things on.


You what? :lol:


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Let's all talk about Varg for a long time.


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Sacre Bleurgh wrote:
Annihislater wrote:
but some of the none controversial stuff he says some interesting things on.


You what? :lol:

Stuff about how he says you should listen to Burzum lay down and on your own, and how he considers Feeble Screams from Forests Unknown his best song, and how he feels he said everything he wanted to say in that song, and everything else he wrote was essentially a rewriting of that song.
Granted these things a few and far between in the article.

But I guess to a degree even the stuff I don't agree with I find interesting on some small way.

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Djentlemanly Dr Dee wrote:
Let's all talk about Varg for a long time.

:lol:


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Varg is skill, anyone who disagrees is a PC faggboy.
I'd rather have him in a woolly Xmas sweater and huge beard though, agree about that.

I fact I'd rather have the Rob Darken photo where he's stood looking at 3 young girls in a barrel bath tub on the cover, someone has that as their avatar on here, see a few posts up ;o)


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Annihislater wrote:
Stuff about how he says you should listen to Burzum lay down

What noise does Burzum transitioning from standing to recumbant make?

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jonesmark wrote:
Varg is skill, anyone who disagrees is a PC faggboy.
I'd rather have him in a woolly Xmas sweater and huge beard though, agree about that.

I fact I'd rather have the Rob Darken photo where he's stood looking at 3 young girls in a barrel bath tub on the cover, someone has that as their avatar on here, see a few posts up ;o)

Surely if your going to have any of Rob you have to go for this bad boy :lol:

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Hehe awesome photo that.


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