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We have been run by the same bunch of neoliberal cultists and free market fellatrixes for the best part of 35 years, that at one point they were wearing red rosettes as opposed to blue ones doesn't mean shit.

Which is why it's enough to make a cat laugh that people talk about Labour - the current incarnation of Labour!! - as being socialist, as though they were a red menace of some description. As if the dwindling remains of the genuine hard left in this country - a few Trots, dreadlocked anarchists, radical feminists and maybe even a fossilised Stalinist or two - would bother even getting out of bed for a spineless drink of water like Miliband.

But this is largely the fault of the press, who have adopted American heartland, Fox News 'culture wars' language that's more alien to British culture than any amount of Muslim immigrants - everyone who appears anti-Tory is a "Marxist" or a "leftist"; people who quite like the idea of a living wage are "extremists", etc. etc.

I will be voting but I don't know who for as yet. None of the main three, and UKIP, while not any sort of totalitarian threat, are incoherent hypocrites who are currently having their Clegg moment and who will be completely decimated when their policies (or lack thereof) are subject to the sort of scrutiny they didn't get in the Euro elections (and they won't be able to call the cops on anyone who exposes them for this either).


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We have been run by the same bunch of neoliberal cultists and free market fellatrixes for the best part of 35 years, that at one point they were wearing red rosettes as opposed to blue ones doesn't mean shit.

Which is why it's enough to make a cat laugh that people talk about Labour - the current incarnation of Labour!! - as being socialist, as though they were a red menace of some description. As if the dwindling remains of the genuine hard left in this country - a few Trots, dreadlocked anarchists, radical feminists and maybe even a fossilised Stalinist or two - would bother even getting out of bed for a spineless drink of water like Miliband.

But this is largely the fault of the press, who have adopted American heartland, Fox News 'culture wars' language that's more alien to British culture than any amount of Muslim immigrants - everyone who appears anti-Tory is a "Marxist" or a "leftist"; people who quite like the idea of a living wage are "extremists", etc. etc.

I will be voting but I don't know who for as yet. None of the main three, and UKIP, while not any sort of totalitarian threat, are incoherent hypocrites who are currently having their Clegg moment and who will be completely decimated when their policies (or lack thereof) are subject to the sort of scrutiny they didn't get in the Euro elections (and they won't be able to call the cops on anyone who exposes them for this either).


Firstly (new Labour) as they like to be called are completely Keynesian and not so much Marxist. I'm not sure Marx or Trotsky are so relevant in the west these days. :)

To your second point. UKIP currently do not put their name to any domestic policy (manifesto) but from what I know of their leader Nigel Farage. It will consist of Utilitarian, Anti-establishment, watered down Conservatism.

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Isn't watered down Conservatism a good thing though?


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Isn't watered down Conservatism a good thing though?


Not to me it isn't but there is something about Conservatism that has often troubled me.

It's the bad side to Conservatism which entails protectionism and cronyism.

Big business has often been bailed out or had their financial deficits met through the government via the tax payer whilst small business has suffered at times. These are the things which give Conservatism a bad name. Banks/Telecom and more are protected which is criminal. All business should be left to succeed or fail. It's the beauty of the market, the good ones go forward while the lackluster businesses fall be replaced by a more efficient alternative.

Margaret Thatcher would never of bailed a soul at at the expense of the taxpayer... just ask anyone affiliated with the mining industry. :)

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Capitalism runs on innate human greed. The fact that this is the best system of running a society/economy is worrying.

I spoiled my local election vote recently.


The system doesn't need to be brutal.

All a government need to do is find the line between welfarism and the social safety net.

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Indeed, a government can always go far playing on the average person's seeming belief that they are a temporarily inconvenienced multi-millionaire rather than an exploited dupe.

Re UKIP, I would say that far from being watered down, it's aiming for a turbo-charged Thatcherism, exactly the sort of hard-rightisms that ironically made the Tories themselves unelectable under Hague, Ian Duncan Shit, and Howard. But because it cloaks this in a paper-thin "stand up for the little people against the EU"* bit of bluster, it's getting away with it, so far.

*sorry, "EUSSR"


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OLP will be along shortly to say they are all two bob cunts, and "Thatcher something something cider".


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Clint Ruin wrote:
Indeed, a government can always go far playing on the average person's seeming belief that they are a temporarily inconvenienced multi-millionaire rather than an exploited dupe.

Re UKIP, I would say that far from being watered down, it's aiming for a turbo-charged Thatcherism, exactly the sort of hard-rightisms that ironically made the Tories themselves unelectable under Hague, Ian Duncan Shit, and Howard. But because it cloaks this in a paper-thin "stand up for the little people against the EU"* bit of bluster, it's getting away with it, so far.

*sorry, "EUSSR"


Farage said he isn't actually a Thatcherite. He admires Thatcher, which some have confused with him actually being a Thatcherite.

It's fine voting UKIP for European parliament but I think it's barmy they had won council seats with no domestic policies.

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TWO MORE HOVEL VOTES YOU FUCKING CUNTS.


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TWO MORE HOVEL VOTES YOU FUCKING CUNTS.


How many hovel votes does it take to stop a thread?

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Well, I made one and asked for two more.


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I take it a few get scrapped then

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Lt Theo Kojak wrote:
British politics threads for the British.


This sounds like something one would hear from a former MEP...

God knows who that might be.

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OLP will be along shortly to say they are all two bob cunts, and "Thatcher something something cider".


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Margaret Thatcher, well what can I say.

I always said if I had a daughter Id of called her Hilda.

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Margaret Thatcher, well what can I say.


She was a cunt of the highest?

The IRA was cunts for not blowing the cunt up.

We are now reaping what that 2 bob cunt sowed.

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Goblin wrote:
Margaret Thatcher, well what can I say.


She was a cunt of the highest?

The IRA was cunts for not blowing the cunt up.

We are now reaping what that 2 bob cunt sowed.


This is factually incorrect, which is why the country isn't progressing the way I'd hoped.

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What is factually incorrect?

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We're reaping what she sowed'

She wanted a free economy and we're definitely not enjoying a free economy right now.

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She wanted Northerners herded into mines/dry-docks and sealed-in/drowned.


If she gave in to the demands and bailed out that flailing industry she would of been just another protectionist hypocrite. Thank goodness she didn't.

*awaits an onslaught*

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