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This is where you come with queries pertaining to the above or to discuss their vagaries. If you don't care, more power to you, go and do your not caring elsewhere.

My query for Uncle Shallow et al: if the last word in a sentence is in inverted commas, is the full stop, question/exclamation mark inside the commas or not?

I don't like that "music".

or

I don't like that "music."


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Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:25 pm
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If the punctuation is part of the quote, it goes inside the quotation marks. If it is part of your sentence, it goes outside of them. (The Americans, on the other hand, bung everything inside the quotation marks. Twats.)

It is interesing (to me, anyway) that your example is using "scare" or "sneer" quotes, employed to denote irony or sarcasm, rather than an actual quotation. Or reported speech, which is diffrerent again.

I recommend that everyone buys and cherishes a copy of Eats, Shoots and Leaves by Lynne Truss.

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I thought that was the case. Phew!


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CURSE YOU FOR NOT APPLYING THE OXFORD COMMA IN THE THREAD TITLE !!1!!1!!


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Oxford comma?


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Shallowthing wrote:

I recommend that everyone buys and cherishes a copy of Eats, Shoots and Leaves by Lynne Truss.

Read it. It's amusing alright. I think you have to be English to really care though.

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Dastardly Dr Dee wrote:
Oxford comma?

Some people put an "Oxford comma" before an "and" in sentences.

With: "Yesterday, my lunch consisted of chips, gravy, and sausage."
Without: "Yesterday, my lunch consisted of chips, gravy and sausage."

Some other people are adamant that this is wrong. Personally, I take it on a case-by-case basis.

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I only put a comma in front of "and" in rare circumstances, generally for emphasis.


Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:02 pm
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Lynne Truss sensibly likens things such as commas to traffic signals or musical notation for written language.

I can remain silent no longer: Dee, would you be so kind as to correct the title of the thread, and the errors in your first post?

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The revolution has started; let the GRAMMAR hit the floor.


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should i make a post in here just to raise everyone's blood pressure?.........

ok


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Shallowthing wrote:
If the punctuation is part of the quote, it goes inside the quotation marks. If it is part of your sentence, it goes outside of them. (The Americans, on the other hand, bung everything inside the quotation marks. Twats.)




I knew the answer to that but I have a similar query with brackets.

If the brackets are mid-sentence, and a comma is needed right after the part in brackets, should the comma be placed before or after the closing bracket?

Example:

You have a pencil dick (a thin penis), and a face like an ape's arse.


Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:32 pm
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Moses The Prophet wrote:
This thread doesn't mean shit, until Steve gets here.


I'm a lot more relaxed about this sort of thing these days due to the grammatical ineptitude of my colleagues. If I got angry every time one of them said sat when they meant sitting, confused pronunciation with enunciation or filled an email with unnecessary semicolons I'd probably have an aneurysm.

I would point out that your sentence doesn't need a comma but I'm sure you knew that already.


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I believe that commas are warranted, (on both sides), of an item in parentheses.


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Crowleistar Owley wrote:
I believe that commas are warranted, (on both sides), of an item in parentheses.


What, (the), fuck?


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Mind your sentence fragments (when positing rebuttals).

OK, the commas only appear after them.


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Crowleistar Owley wrote:
I believe that commas are warranted, (on both sides), of an item in parentheses.


That isn't necessary. In general if you remove commas the sentence should still make sense whereas parentheses always surround text that can be removed without altering the meaning of the sentence. There's no need to have both because, in this instance, they're both doing the same job.

Alternatively...

There's no need to have both because (in this instance) they're both doing the same job.


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Morf wrote:
My level of grammar and punctuation are pretty average by any objective standard but I still feel like I'm using a different language to the 'yoof'.


Shouldn't that be "is" or be "levels" instead of the singular? Not piss taking, grammar thread innit.


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Pearson Education site wrote:
Sometimes the parenthetical material is part of a longer sentence part that will be set off by a comma, colon, or semicolon. These pieces of punctuation always come after the parenthetical material, never before it or inside the parentheses. Watch for the comma in the example that follows.

Example: While traditional Christianity believed that divine intervention was necessary to improve human nature, (and to attain everlasting life) the Transcendentalists believed that humanity could be improved by relying on its own strength.

Revision: While traditional Christianity believed that divine intervention was necessary to improve human nature (and to attain everlasting life), the Transcendentalists believed that humanity could be improved by relying on its own strength.



I have references, and all you have is a silly degree; your revision is fail.

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