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Crowleistar Owley wrote:
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Sometimes the parenthetical material is part of a longer sentence part that will be set off by a comma, colon, or semicolon. These pieces of punctuation always come after the parenthetical material, never before it or inside the parentheses. Watch for the comma in the example that follows.

Example: While traditional Christianity believed that divine intervention was necessary to improve human nature, (and to attain everlasting life) the Transcendentalists believed that humanity could be improved by relying on its own strength.

Revision: While traditional Christianity believed that divine intervention was necessary to improve human nature (and to attain everlasting life), the Transcendentalists believed that humanity could be improved by relying on its own strength.



I have references, and all you have is a silly degree; your revision is fail.

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This isn't what you were arguing though. This excerpt provides no support for the assertion that you can use commas on both sides of text in parentheses.


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Steve wrote:
Crowleistar Owley wrote:
I believe that commas are warranted, (on both sides), of an item in parentheses.


That isn't necessary. In general if you remove commas the sentence should still make sense whereas parentheses always surround text that can be removed without altering the meaning of the sentence. There's no need to have both because, in this instance, they're both doing the same job.

Alternatively...

There's no need to have both because (in this instance) they're both doing the same job.


Super, thanks. I was doing the right thing then, only because I chose to avoid commas altogether in those situations, and hoped the reader took a big enough breath.


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I retracted my assertion in my second post concerning the matter, the rest is all pisstake.


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I was always taught that a comma before the "and" in a list is American-style punctuation, whereas in UK English it's not used.
eg Today I ate hamburgers, fries, a chili dog, and some Injuns.
Today I ate fish, chips and mushy peas.

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In America, it's considered standard usage by everyone except journalists. In this country, it's widely considered better to leave it out, but there are some big exceptions (Fowler's Modern English Usage, for one). There's a great example I've seen cited of why the "Oxford comma" is a useful thing - an apocryphal book dedication:

Without an Oxford comma: "To my parents, Ayn Rand and God."
With a clarifying Oxford comma: "To my parents, Ayn Rand, and God."

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If someone's direct lineage was Ayn Rand and God, it would work out.


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Geddy Lee?


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Steve wrote:
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This thread doesn't mean shit, until Steve gets here.


I'm a lot more relaxed about this sort of thing these days due to the grammatical ineptitude of my colleagues. If I got angry every time one of them said sat when they meant sitting, confused pronunciation with enunciation or filled an email with unnecessary semicolons I'd probably have an aneurysm.

I would point out that your sentence doesn't need a comma but I'm sure you knew that already.


Grammatical ineptitude? Aren't your colleagues lawyers Steve or am i mistaken?

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Dee, first post still needs correcting.

The third word of a fucking spelling and grammar thread is wrong... (shakes head, and shuffles off mumbling under breath)


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Pretty soon it'll all be a mashup of Gaellic, Farsi, and Japanese


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Shakin' Steev-unz wrote:
Dee, first post still needs correcting.

The third word of a fucking spelling and grammar thread is wrong... (shakes head, and shuffles off mumbling under breath)


That is a classic pedagogoical tool, the teacher makes a deliberate mistake and the learners must decipher and point it out to them.

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Morf wrote:
Gaeilge.

Shove your Gaelic up your arse.


SEE? It's happening already!


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Shallowthing wrote:
Without an Oxford comma: "To my parents, Ayn Rand and God."
With a clarifying Oxford comma: "To my parents, Ayn Rand, and God."


I was ready to pour scorn on the Oxford comma but now I understand.
Thank you.


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Same here. That is pretty much of a perfect example of why "Oxford commas" aren't a totally stupid idea.


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Almost relevant to this thread:

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ketusmondai wrote:
Shallowthing wrote:
Without an Oxford comma: "To my parents, Ayn Rand and God."
With a clarifying Oxford comma: "To my parents, Ayn Rand, and God."


I was ready to pour scorn on the Oxford comma but now I understand.
Thank you.


Yes, that is a very useful example. I don't know about all of this "What is accepted in America" rot though. Certain things get overlooked because it's easier to do so, but that doesn't make it ok. I have a small group of friends who are dedicated to keeping these things in line. I, for example, am terrible typist. I therefore spend extra time to read what I've written to make sure I've got things as they should be. I may miss things now and again, but it's usually just a mistake and not intentional.

I applaud the grammar/punctuation nazis of the world. Go get 'em!!

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