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Post Learning a new language
I have been going to France about three times a year on average ,and I think I know about five words its getting embarrassing now .so its about time I bit the bullet and started to learn French ,anyone got any tips ?


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And no smart arse suggestions that I should learn English first .


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Obviously if the best thing, if you can manage it, is to find someone who can speak the language and make sure you talk to them. There is no substitute for having a conversation in the language, it helps you learn speaking and listening skills at the same time, and not in the same way as if you just sit with a sound recording and practice yourself.
If you can afford it a private tutor might be worthwhile. Research other things you could do to meet people. Manchester has the Alliance Francaise which is apparently fantastic (I've still never been despite having now lived in Manc for nearly six years).

Having said that you can learn a language from a textbook, I'm trying that myself at the moment (very slowly). The main thing is to MAKE yourself keep practising, if you don't do it regularly enough you'll forget what you've learned. I bought my sister this book, she's found it good. I've used another book in that series and recommend it.

Grammar is both more difficult to learn, and more important, than vocabulary, so get a good grammar book. I can't recommend this one enough - had to use loads of different textbooks at university but this is the one I always refer to myself.

Depending on how serious you are a good dictionary is really important. Collins-Robert is the way to go for English/French dictionaries.

Practice all you can and don't be shy about making mistakes - in my experience French people love to hear un Anglo-Saxon at least trying to speak French. And look at it this way - if you say "me food shop where?" people will understand you, even if it's not perfect - so practise and you'll improve.

Good luck!

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Ah thanks Ed, all good sound advice


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Especially with French the pronunciation can really be a bugger, so I would enroll in a course to learn the pronunciation. Even if the course sucks for the rest and goes too slow or isn't to your liking, it will help you quite much with the pronunciation I would think.


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yeah its the pronunciation that i really worry about .


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Speak to them in English, only VERY LOUDLY AND SLOWLY. That always works.


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WHERE - IS - LE - PUB?


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andrew wrote:
yeah its the pronunciation that i really worry about .

Master the basics (like the fact that '-tion' isn't pronounced the same as in English, or that you pronounce 'et' as 'ay') and you'll be fine - most French people don't distinguish between 'an' and 'on' days, and if your pronunciation isn't perfect, people will still understand you - that's the most important thing to remember.

The difference between the 'long' and 'short' oo sounds (usually written as 'ou' and 'u') is important though - 'merci beaucoup' (long oo) means 'thanks very much', but 'merci beau cul' (short oo at the end) means 'thanks, nice arse'.

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I can speak The Black Tongue of Mordor, Enochian and Cthulhuian.


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Andrew, download Rosetta Stone's French course. My mate did that and found it a big help (though he also has a French girlfriend, which makes it a bit easier for him).

I find it terrible that I only speak one language, it's very poor show in comparison to the rest of the world. I got a B at GCSE French too, but when I had a French flatmate at uni he said my brutalising of his language was appalling. I did then get a French girl to teach me how to tell him he's gay and likes a big cock in his mouth. I can still remember that one funnily enough...

I've tried teaching myself to read Hebrew, Ancient Greek and Latin, but failed on all accounts, other than recognising letters and managing a few meagre words.

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Speak to them in English, only VERY LOUDLY AND SLOWLY. That always works.


Best advice ever.

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Put a clove of garlic under your tongue then talk English.

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Or type with your elbows, and it looks like Welsh.

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Or type with your elbows, and it looks like Welsh.

Or suck your mother and be blessed with lots of banana cakes.

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Michel Thomas is good. Makes you think in the language in order to learn it.

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I did then get a French girl to teach me how to tell him he's gay and likes a big cock in his mouth.

Go on then, how do you say it?

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I can say it, I can't type it!

It's something along the lines of "Tu est pede, tu aime le grande bitte dans ta bouche!"

That's what I was told anyway, and the reaction I got was quite funny.

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Reverend Jim wrote:
Michel Thomas is good. Makes you think in the language in order to learn it.

This, except double plus good.

He's a bit annoying at times, but after 8 hours you can say an awful lot of stuff, including past and future tenses. He teaches you how to create your own sentances, rather than memorise a load of "useful" phrases unlike most other courses.

He helps you understand the importance of grammer while hardly ever getting technical about it, i.e using your own intuitive understanding of English grammer as an guide.

His course is not any use for understanding what others are saying though, for that you need to practise listening. Films, radio, music are good here. Have a french radio station on all day, you'll see how many words you already know, because English is largely derived from French. (Sorry OLP, there's loads of German in there too)


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ketusmondai wrote:
because English is largely derived from French. (Sorry OLP, there's loads of German in there too)


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