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I might do it for other bands at some point....


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I want to visit that parallel universe where Maiden are at their absolute peak with AMOLAD.And I so wanna hear that alternate Sign of the Cross. The one we have in this dimension is not fit to suck the Ancient Mariner's balls. Well, in fairness, perhaps the live version with Bruce might be allowed to do that.

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not helped by the band thinking it's a good idea to get him to sing Dickinson material


Yeah, what were they thinking? That their new singer should be able to sing something from 7 albums worth of material? Weren't they content with the X-Factor material and their best song ever? They just HAD to make poor Blaze sing obsolete stuff like the Trooper, right? Such assholes.


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Vic wrote:
I want to visit that parallel universe where Maiden are at their absolute peak with AMOLAD.

Visiting this forum is as close as you'll get to it.

On here all that's needed to miraculously turn repetitive tediousness and limp uninspired waffle like AMoLaD into gold is to stick the Maiden logo and Eddie the 'ead on the front and voila!...it's magically a once truly great band's career peak.


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not helped by the band thinking it's a good idea to get him to sing Dickinson material


Yeah, what were they thinking? That their new singer should be able to sing something from 7 albums worth of material? Weren't they content with the X-Factor material and their best song ever? They just HAD to make poor Blaze sing obsolete stuff like the Trooper, right? Such assholes.


What I meant was that there were older Maiden songs which might have suited Blaze more in terms of his vocal register and they didn't bother amending the set list in that way. They could have done that instead of having Blaze strain himself trying to sing some of the more vocally demanding Dickinson material.


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And yet Blaze so obviously couldn't sing the material on the albums he performed on either so I'm not sure anything was gonna save him.


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robitusson wrote:
Vic wrote:
I want to visit that parallel universe where Maiden are at their absolute peak with AMOLAD.

Visiting this forum is as close as you'll get to it.

On here all that's needed to miraculously turn repetitive tediousness and limp uninspired waffle like AMoLaD into gold is to stick the Maiden logo and Eddie the 'ead on the front and voila!...it's magically a once truly great band's career peak.


Yeah I don't understand it at all. Every album since 2000 has its moments, but with the exception of Brave New World, which is extremely overrated by some, they aren't really worth talking about as albums.

As for Blaze, he sounded pretty ordinary to bad in Maiden, but he sounds really good on most of the solo albums if you like the sound of his voice, I think in maiden he was just doing what he was told, and it ended up backfiring.

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I've come to the conclusion that The Book Of Souls is overlong and shouldn't have been a double album, so I've gone back and re-arranged it down to a personal edit:

1. If Eternity Should Fail
2. Speed Of Light
3. The Book Of Souls
4. Shadows Of The Valley
5. Death Or Glory
6. Tears Of A Clown
7. The Red And The Black

This IMO works much better, it's now a more concise album. I ditched Empire Of The Clouds because that track sounds half-finished. Ditched the other songs because they were just filler. TRATB sits in quite nicely at the end, and the title track as third song in works well too.


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I've come to the conclusion that someone certainly has too much time on their hands.


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I listened to Virtua XI for the first time in a while the other day. Better than Killers? Fuck off.

Mind, it's not as bad as I first thought, just typical 90's Maiden - a couple of good songs amid some material that is way below par.

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I listened to Virtua XI for the first time in a while the other day. Better than Killers? Fuck off.

Mind, it's not as bad as I first thought, just typical 90's Maiden - a couple of good songs amid some material that is way below par.


Agree. I still like it better than The X Factor though.

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Virtual XI is poo.

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Virtual XI. Better than Killers? Fuck off.

as bad as I first thought, just typical 90's Maiden - material that is way below par.

Edited for accuracy.

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It's funny because we're always hearing about how Brave New World 'had material on it that was written during the Blaze era'. Well, which songs specifically? It's a 5/5 album, but interestingly enough, there's a 1 fist song at the very end of the album; 'The Thin Line Between Love and Hate'. That song is one of the biggest buzzkills I have ever heard on an album, with powerful tracks like The Nomad and Out of the Silent Planet leading to... completely uninispired, vocally monotone fucking slime. I have a sneaking feeling that given the horrendous songwriting and the vocal style present on this track that this is the so-called 'Blaze- era' material on this album, and when you hear the song, you realise that it's of such low quality that it has literally no business being on the album whatsoever. Thank god it was the final track.

(If there is actually another song from the Blaze-era, I'd be willing to bet that it's The Wickerman)

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In all honesty I rate Killers below Virtual XI.


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Cosmic Equilibrium wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that The Book Of Souls is overlong and shouldn't have been a double album, so I've gone back and re-arranged it down to a personal edit:

1. If Eternity Should Fail
2. Speed Of Light
3. The Book Of Souls
4. Shadows Of The Valley
5. Death Or Glory
6. Tears Of A Clown
7. The Red And The Black

This IMO works much better, it's now a more concise album. I ditched Empire Of The Clouds because that track sounds half-finished. Ditched the other songs because they were just filler. TRATB sits in quite nicely at the end, and the title track as third song in works well too.


I'd probably agree with that. As it is, it's a 4 fist album, losing a fist because it is too long. That would probably be a 5.

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It's funny because we're always hearing about how Brave New World 'had material on it that was written during the Blaze era'. Well, which songs specifically?

Dream of Mirrors, The Nomad, and The Mercenary.

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RainbowPrince wrote:
It's funny because we're always hearing about how Brave New World 'had material on it that was written during the Blaze era'. Well, which songs specifically?

Dream of Mirrors, The Nomad, and The Mercenary.

But even then, is there any way to know just how much the tracks changed since they were first conceptualised with Blaze in the band? I honestly think that they would have been refined a great deal when it came time for the actual album with Bruce. I refuse to believe that The Nomad, one of Maiden's best songs, was a product of the Blaze era. I'd be willing to bet that these tracks were just in their foetal stages before the return of Bruce, and were hardly comparable to their finished versions.

- Edit: Plus the return of Adrian was sure to have a big impact on their ability to improve songwriting.

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RainbowPrince wrote:
It's funny because we're always hearing about how Brave New World 'had material on it that was written during the Blaze era'. Well, which songs specifically? It's a 5/5 album, but interestingly enough, there's a 1 fist song at the very end of the album; 'The Thin Line Between Love and Hate'. That song is one of the biggest buzzkills I have ever heard on an album, with powerful tracks like The Nomad and Out of the Silent Planet leading to... completely uninispired, vocally monotone fucking slime. I have a sneaking feeling that given the horrendous songwriting and the vocal style present on this track that this is the so-called 'Blaze- era' material on this album, and when you hear the song, you realise that it's of such low quality that it has literally no business being on the album whatsoever. Thank god it was the final track.

(If there is actually another song from the Blaze-era, I'd be willing to bet that it's The Wickerman)


Dream Of Mirrors was written for Blaze - you can definitely imagine him singing that one. I'm not sure on which other songs were VXI leftovers but I don't think The Wicker Man was, isn't that a Smith tune?


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I refuse to believe that The Nomad, one of Maiden's best songs, was a product of the Blaze era.


See, this is the issue with Maiden fans who slag the Blaze era - they can't accept even the remotest possibility that it might be of any worth or indeed could ever have been of any value at all. I don't mind people disliking the material if they've judged it objectively, but to just flat out assume the Blaze albums could never have produced good material is kind of wrong.

As for how developed the songs were, I'm pretty sure Dream Of Mirrors was finished and ready to go, they just recorded it with Bruce instead - listening to the song makes that pretty clear in my mind. I'm not sure of the other two, it may be that they were more at a halfway house stage of writing, but it could be that they were finished pieces as well.


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Cosmic Equilibrium wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that The Book Of Souls is overlong and shouldn't have been a double album, so I've gone back and re-arranged it down to a personal edit:

1. If Eternity Should Fail
2. Speed Of Light
3. The Book Of Souls
4. Shadows Of The Valley
5. Death Or Glory
6. Tears Of A Clown
7. The Red And The Black

This IMO works much better, it's now a more concise album. I ditched Empire Of The Clouds because that track sounds half-finished. Ditched the other songs because they were just filler. TRATB sits in quite nicely at the end, and the title track as third song in works well too.


I'd probably agree with that. As it is, it's a 4 fist album, losing a fist because it is too long. That would probably be a 5.


I've recently gone further with this idea and combined my favourite tracks from The Final Frontier and The Book Of Souls into one album:

1) If Eternity Should Fail
2) Satellite 15... The Final Frontier [with much of the first bit of Satellite 15 edited out for conciseness]
3) Speed Of Light
4) Coming Home
5) The Red And The Black
6) The Alchemist
7) The Talisman
8) Shadows Of The Valley
9) The Man Who Would Be King
10) Isle Of Avalon

This works as a 5 fist album, although it feels more like a collection of great songs than a cohesive whole like AMOLAD did.


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