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Post Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists to 1
Statters and Sol were talking about this in reverse elsewhere. Bands that go from 1 to 5 fists in a short period of time or one album after another. (I just posed the question this way because I wanted to use "Fall from grace" as a thread title.) Have there been examples of a band going from 1 to a 5? From shite to might? From excrement to excellent?

Or vice versa. Are there any real examples of a band going from hero to zero in the space of one album? From tops suddenly to flops? I would say Painkiller to Jugulator is arguably a descent from 5 fists to 1 - but that 1 is not set in stone by any means.


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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
First there were Black Sabbath, Paranoid, Masters Of Reality, Vol. 4, Sabotage and then Technical Ecstasy & Never Say Die happened.

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
TE and NSD are hardly 1 fist albums though, no? It's got to be absolute shite to count. That's the problem - most bands just descend into mediocrity as opposed to completely losing the plot after the height of artistic success.


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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Technical Ecstacy is a definite 1/5 album, but I'd give Sabotage 3/5, 4/5 being extremely generous, so I'd disqualify them on that count. This a tough question. FNM shot up between Introduce Yourself (sorry, it's fucking terrible) and The Real Thing (unquestionably 5/5, it's a near perfect album) and I reckon Maiden did it with Virtual XI and BNW (though not many consider that a 5/5 album, I do so ner). I'd have to ruminate on this for a while before I came up with anythng else...

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Not 5 to 1, but early Katatonia fell apart so damn quickly and hard it's not even funny. I consider Dance of December Souls one of doom/death metal's crowning achievements. Sadly Brave Murder Day followed up just 3 years after and it's one of the most frustrating albums I've ever heard not to mention it sounds like it could go on forever. The Katatonia albums that followed are longer but at least those sound they're about to end sometime.


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Phlebotomized went from Immense Intense suspense which is at least 5 fists to some abomination of a second album which was 0 fists...

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
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TE and NSD are hardly 1 fist albums though, no? It's got to be absolute shite to count. That's the problem - most bands just descend into mediocrity as opposed to completely losing the plot after the height of artistic success.


But Sabbath came back huge again after those stinkers.

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No, they split and Iommi made a load of shitty AOR albums.

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
My first thought was Queens of the Stone Age, going from Songs for the Deaf (5/5 IMO) to Lullabies to Paralyse, although I'm not sure if the latter is quite as bad as being a 1 fister.

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
It is, but I'd have SFTD on 3/5, maybe 4 at a push. I'd only give their debut 5/5, and even then just about that.

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Discharge? Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing to Grave New World.


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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
They who shall not be named - Draconian Times to One Second? DT is a 4 and OS a 2 - close enough!?


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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
doomrider wrote:
My first thought was Queens of the Stone Age, going from Songs for the Deaf (5/5 IMO) to Lullabies to Paralyse, although I'm not sure if the latter is quite as bad as being a 1 fister.

I know I'm going to get slagged for this, but Lullabies is 5/5. So is, Songs for the Deaf, Rated R, and the s/t. Sorry, but they are.


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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Can't think of any examples offhand. Declines ordinarily tend to be slow, at least in terms of hitting rock bottom. Even Iron Maiden declined slowly after S.S.O.S.S. Seventh Son was a fantastic album, but No Prayer was not and neither was Fear. Then we had the Bayley period etc. It didn't happen overnight. Dio was the same. We didn't just end up with that piece of shit called Angry Machines. It was a slow descent after Dream Evil, and Strange Highways was actually quite a good album so the complete failure of Angry Machines was even more puzzling, but Strange Highways was not a 5 fist album and it probably wasn't even 4 fists. It was a 3.5. Angry Machines was a 1.5. I'd say that is a pretty steep decline over the course of one album, but it wasn't like he went from Holy Diver to that. Even Sacred Heart, which a lot of his fans hated at the time, is not a completely terrible album.

As for Jugulator, I don't think it was a 1 fist album, but going from Painkiller to Jugulator would definitely be one of the most legendary (i.e tragic) falls in metal history.

Maybe Sol and a few others would argue that Machine Head fall in that category, but I certainly don't. I liked The Burning Red, even if it wasn't as good as their previous albums.


AJK: Lullabies To Paralyze is 5 fists? C'mon! :D

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Meathook Seed. First album 4 fists. 2nd album zero fists.

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Solaris wrote:
Technical Ecstacy is a definite 1/5 album....



:roll:


Oh dear god, no........

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Yes, though. Clearly.

I wouldn't make a case for Machine Head, I'd have The Burning Red at 2/5, maybe 3/5. Supercharger and Unto The Locust are definite 1/5 albums but neither was preceded or followed by a 5/5 one.

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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
My first thought was Metallica. From a bunch of 5's to 1's. OK Black Album isnt exactly a 5 & those after not exactly 1's but its close. Even Death Magnetic I only liked one song.


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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Danzig

Four standout albums albeit a bit similar then he sacks the band and comes out with some electronic bullshit


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Post Re: Fall From Grace - bands that went straight from 5 fists
Stat_Rad wrote:
AJK: Lullabies To Paralyze is 5 fists? C'mon! :D


I know. :oops: I get it. 5/5 is probably a bit much, but I do enjoy the album. I also really like the two that followed it.


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