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robitusson
Darth Fucking Vader
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:38 am Posts: 27810 Location: Cunnamulla
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 Re: Best metal album each year since 1970
Solaris wrote: Not confused at all, Indeed. that was just me guessing - that's true. Some facts as examples: Kerrang! magazine was calling ACDC heavy metal in the early 80s. Ditto Rolling Stone with BackIn Black. Sir Lord Baltimore were called heavy metal when their first records came out. Deep Purple were called heavy metal by the press when Machine Head was release d. Live in Japan was called a "metal monster" when it was released. Blue Öyster Cult were one of the first bands to be called heavy metal by the press. Van Halen were called a "heavy metal bomb" in 1984. Samson was on one of the Metal for Muthas comps. There is evidence from the time for all ofthis. Sure there was some interchangeability with the term heavymetal and hard rock/ heavy rock/ rock - (even AOR in some cases). the Monsters of Rock festival for example from the 80s - but it was initially advertised as "exclusively" a heavy metal festival. The point is this -there is evidence that these kinds of bands were routinely called heavy metal at the time. If this isn't the case, then let's see the evidence.
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blacklorre
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Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:46 pm Posts: 9420
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 Re: Best metal album each year since 1970
^ True! I'll end this on my 11th edit! Thats a good number. Never only listened to metal until other genres became more boring and metal became more interesting. (around the time of first Speed Kills) Tried to post only metal albums where possible but as long I can headbang to it its metal  !
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:58 pm |
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robitusson
Darth Fucking Vader
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:38 am Posts: 27810 Location: Cunnamulla
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 Re: Best metal album each year since 1970
dave wrote: The genrification only really started in the mid 80's to differentiate between "true metal" such as thrash,death metal, black metal and "false metal" like glam, AOR etc. It became an easy marketing tool. It was very important for fans too. There was another huge schism between the newer thrash/ death fans and the older classic band fans. Genres tightened up more and more to mean very specific things. It's only gotten narrower and narrower as well - that Canadian Headbangers Journey guy codifies and charts made-up stuff like "blackened death" on youtube for aliving now.
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 3:23 pm |
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opaline
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Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:09 am Posts: 6086 Location: Sydney, Australia
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 Re: Best metal album each year since 1970
You also failed to mention that Humble Pie were in fact the first band to be labelled as heavy metal by the media rob. Can I assume that you will now be labelling them as metal?
To be perfectly honest everything you've said here only goes to further prove that your point is completely irrelevant. No one is claiming that these bands weren't called metal back in the 70's but the fact is that most of us weren't around to remember that & highlighting the use of the term 40 years ago doesn't make your point any more valid. I was born in 1975 & got into metal in around 1987 when there was already a fairly clear distinction between genuine metal & hard rock. That means that we're talking about more than 30 years since real music fans stopped calling Led Zeppelin, Alice Cooper, Van Halen or KISS a metal band. I simply don't think it matters who labelled which band what back in the days when the genre was still being defined. It's completely irrelevant when the subgenres WERE defined properly a short time afterwards.
For example, back in the early-to-mid 80's people called Detroit techno "house music". It wasn't until the late 80's that Juan Atkins started trying to distance himself from that term & created his own new label to describe his music. Does that then mean that we should continue to call all Detroit techno house music? That would appear to be madness to me. The very same can be said of the early days of trance.
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:19 pm |
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robitusson
Darth Fucking Vader
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:38 am Posts: 27810 Location: Cunnamulla
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 Re: Best metal album each year since 1970
We're on the internet arguing on a pretty near defunct music forum. Everything we're saying is irrelevant.
The fact remains that heavy metal basically started,developed and peaked in the 70s and 80s. What the genre was - & what bands represented the style - all developed then too. And there is a mountain of evidence forthis.
These days people might think that Sabaton or Lamb of God or Nightwish or whoever are what metal is and that Saxon or Deep Purple aren't. But that's just not enough. I'm sure for them that it really does seem true - but it just isnt.
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Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:03 pm |
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Stat_Rad
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Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:23 pm Posts: 21393
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 Re: Best metal album each year since 1970
opaline wrote: To be perfectly honest everything you've said here only goes to further prove that your point is completely irrelevant. No one is claiming that these bands weren't called metal back in the 70's but the fact is that most of us weren't around to remember that & highlighting the use of the term 40 years ago doesn't make your point any more valid. I was born in 1975 & got into metal in around 1987 when there was already a fairly clear distinction between genuine metal & hard rock. That means that we're talking about more than 30 years since real music fans stopped calling Led Zeppelin, Alice Cooper, Van Halen or KISS a metal band. I simply don't think it matters who labelled which band what back in the days when the genre was still being defined. It's completely irrelevant when the subgenres WERE defined properly a short time afterwards.
For example, back in the early-to-mid 80's people called Detroit techno "house music". It wasn't until the late 80's that Juan Atkins started trying to distance himself from that term & created his own new label to describe his music. Does that then mean that we should continue to call all Detroit techno house music? That would appear to be madness to me. The very same can be said of the early days of trance. I was going to post something along these lines yesterday but didn't. Good job! I definitely agree. The same argument is used about black metal as well, and I just don't buy it. A genre becomes a genre when it has features that can be locked down and verbally articulated. Deep Purple are generally referred to as a rock band, because that's precisely what they are. The fact that they influenced some metal bands isn't the point.
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Spiny Norman
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Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:22 pm Posts: 17430 Location: Shakespeare Cuntry
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When I was growing up, Deep Purple were generally called Heavy Metal in the rock press (Kerrang! and Metal Hammer, basically) but labelled a Rock/Heavy Rock/Hard Rock band in the mainstream press (but even then, the tabloids would still occasionally refer to them as Heavy Metal). Tommy Vance from The Friday Rock Show would describe them as either depending on which way the wind was blowing.
In short, in my eyes, Purple are both Heavy Metal and Hard/Heavy Rock and I don't give a shit what anyone else refers to them as now. These days, Ozzy, Maiden, Anthrax and Metallica seem to have been rebranded Classic Rock in many corners, so fuck categories and call them what you like, because basically everybody's right and it doesn't even matter.
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Vim Fuego
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Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:45 am Posts: 3127 Location: On top of the Trans-Alpine faultline
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 Re: Best metal album each year since 1970
I don't give a fuck how anyone else defines metal, and here's my list:
1970: Black Sabbath - Paranoid 1971: Alice Cooper - Killer 1972: Deep Purple - Machine Head 1973: Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies 1974: Deep Purple - Burn 1975: AC/DC - TNT 1976: AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap 1977: Ted Nugent - Cat Scratch Fever 1978: Rose Tattoo - Rose Tattoo 1979: Motorhead - Overkill 1980: Motorhead - Ace of Spades
1981: Iron Maiden - Killers 1982: Twisted Sister - Under The Blade 1983: Slayer - Show No Mercy 1984: Bathory - Bathory 1985: S.O.D. - Speak English Or Die 1986: Dark Angel - Darkness Descends 1987: Carnivore - Retaliation 1988: Slayer - South of Heaven 1989: Sepultura - Beneath The Remains 1990: Exhorder - Slaughter in the Vatican
1991: Entombed - Clandestine 1992: Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubious 1993: Metallica - Live Shit: Binge & Purge 1994: Nailbomb - Point Blank 1995: Strapping Young Lad - Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing 1996: The Exploited - Beat the Bastards 1997: Emperor - Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk 1998: Nile - Amongst The Catacombs Of Nephren-Ka 1999: Brutal Truth - Goodbye Cruel World 2000: Macabre - Dahmer
2001: Arch Enemy - Wages of Sin 2002: 8 Foot Sativa - Hate Made Me 2003: Apocalyptica - Reflections 2004: Usurper - Cryptobeast 2005: Kreator - Enemy of God 2006: Celtic Frost - Monotheist 2007: Blood Duster - Lyden Na 2008: Zimmers Hole - When You Were Shouting At The Devil...We Were In League With Satan 2009: Steel Panther - Feel the Steel 2010: Melechesh - The Epigenesis
2011: Fleshgod Apocalypse - Agony 2012: Terrorizer - Hordes of Zombies 2013: Carcass - Surgical Steel 2014: Devilskin - We Rise 2015: Texas Toast Chainsaw Massacre - Til Death Do Us Party 2016: Wormrot - Voices 2017 (so far) : Sepultura - Machine Messiah
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