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Maybe it's just that, in itself - it is mostly material that has a strong reference point, it's quite backwards-looking. With just-fresh-enough spins ideas-wise, sonic palette-wise (not playing wise - that shit is top tier) to have made it stand out enough. Same goes for Aristocrats, it is quite staid and learned. A little bit vehicular for the marquee players. Allan Holdsworth was his own universe, I wish Guthrie was. What do you think of the Cakes record, do you like it?


Songs like 'Waves' to me don't sound like they are strongly referencing anything in particular. They sound quite 'progressive' for guitar rock music.

I like Erotic Cakes quite a bit. I first heard it years ago, but I didn't get a copy until just recently.

Holdsworth and Di Meola were pretty much islands onto themselves, especially Holdsworth, although I don't like the new age-y aspect of some of his music at all.

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Songs like 'Waves' to me don't sound like they are strongly referencing anything in particular. They sound quite 'progressive' for guitar rock music.


I don't know, I cant greatly distinguish it from a lot of time-trodden rock fusion, which I admit I've had more exposure to than a person might be reasonably expected to tolerate in my own pursuit of guitar canon. I just don't know what I want from the guy, Stat Rad :cry: A bit more danger, more arrogance or chutzpah, a bit less nod/wink and the feeling of that canon coming through so strong. I don't mean like joining Brain Drill or something.. Take Animals As Leaders as someone who I think are reaching through in the manner that I mean, so clever and with fresh ideas, and still in touch with its chromosomal Satriani. And accessible.

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Very few people were raving about Suffocation's Pierced From Within in 1995, yet look at its reputation now.


That's very different to my own experience although admittedly I was a part of an active gigging brutal death metal band at the time. Pretty much everyone in & around my circles were raving about it & the wealth of Cannibal Corpse t-shirts we'd been seeing at our gigs started to be diluted by Suffocation ones pretty quickly. I bought "Pierced From Within" on the day of release & it absolutely knocked my socks off from the first few seconds of my initial listen. I don't think it's been bettered in the BDM space & it's been in my all-time top ten albums ever since.


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I think Bolt Thrower’s style (as well as those of notable early-90s Swedeath bands) enjoyed a bit of a comeback a few years ago with bands like Gate Creeper, but like a lot of these metal rehashes (pizza thrash?), they seemed to completely miss the point and felt like nth generation facsimiles of far superior material. Whether or not the listeners knew the reference points like Bolt Thrower and Entombed is a question I don’t know the answer too, but the bands certainly knew enough to try and reproduce them.

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The most Swedish death metal sounding Polish release I've ever heard - and it's not even new!


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I just don't know what I want from the guy, Stat Rad :cry: A bit more danger, more arrogance or chutzpah, a bit less nod/wink and the feeling of that canon coming through so strong. I don't mean like joining Brain Drill or something.. Take Animals As Leaders as someone who I think are reaching through in the manner that I mean, so clever and with fresh ideas, and still in touch with its chromosomal Satriani. And accessible.


See I find Animals As Leaders to sound a bit sterile and boring. The stuff I've heard sounds like Dream Theater filtered through Botch and Meshuggah.

We probably have different views on this sort of thing though. I recall you drilling me for digging recent Macalpine a years ago? Saying it was generic prog metal? Was that you? ;)

However, if you are arguing that Govan is a great synthesizer rather than a genuine innovator, I have no problem with that because it's definitely true.

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That's very different to my own experience although admittedly I was a part of an active gigging brutal death metal band at the time. Pretty much everyone in & around my circles were raving about it & the wealth of Cannibal Corpse t-shirts we'd been seeing at our gigs started to be diluted by Suffocation ones pretty quickly. I bought "Pierced From Within" on the day of release & it absolutely knocked my socks off from the first few seconds of my initial listen. I don't think it's been bettered in the BDM space & it's been in my all-time top ten albums ever since.


That sounds ultra exclusive to me, because I reckon I saw less than a handful of Suffocation shirts around town back then. Plenty of CC ones though. Black metal was also taking over from death metal in 95 in Aus, so the shine was definitely off it.

The critics gave Pierced a thumbs up but the consensus was that it was just a very good example of its genre and that's it. Same with most zines I read back in the day too. I recall very few raves until years later. That doesn't mean of course that people weren't raving about it. Usually how these things work is that the people who rave about something when others don't eventually convince others that they were right all along ;)

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Whether or not the listeners knew the reference points like Bolt Thrower and Entombed is a question I don’t know the answer too, but the bands certainly knew enough to try and reproduce them.


This is always a hard question to answer because unless the band is getting a lot of media coverage, it's almost impossible to know whether they really appeal to the younger generation of listeners or not. There are always going to be young people like Colin40 that enjoy the old stuff, but most bands tend to have generational appeal unless they are canon, and even then that doesn't always save them. How many people did you know back in the mid 90's that listened to Mercyful Fate, for example? Sure they were constantly name checked, but who was actively listening to them? It wasn't your average 16 year old metalhead in 1995, that's for damn sure. They weren't listening to Time or Don't Break The Oath, they were listening to Demanufacture.

Things have changed since then, and the generational lines aren't as strict as they once were, but most bands don't really have cross generational appeal.



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This is always a hard question to answer because unless the band is getting a lot of media coverage, it's almost impossible to know whether they really appeal to the younger generation of listeners or not. There are always going to be young people like Colin40 that enjoy the old stuff, but most bands tend to have generational appeal unless they are canon, and even then that doesn't always save them. How many people did you know back in the mid 90's that listened to Mercyful Fate, for example? Sure they were constantly name checked, but who was actively listening to them? It wasn't your average 16 year old metalhead in 1995, that's for damn sure. They weren't listening to Time or Don't Break The Oath, they were listening to Demanufacture.


I'm glad you took me as an example. Personally though, I didn't end up listening to death metal right away. When I got into music around the age of 13/14 I went from Linkin Park to metalcore/nu metal to melodic death to death metal and the rest is history. Now that I'm 25 I can't imagine liking the stuff I got into at first anymore. :lol:

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^^Judging by the albums you have been listening to recently, if I didn't know better I would have assumed that the 40 in your name is actually your real age ;)

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Well thanks for that. I guess.

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What utter shite!


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That Necrot album is decent, yeah.

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Isn't it just? The last one was great, though.

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