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Author:  Stat_Rad [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Rolling Stone's top 100 metal albums.....

They probably got some 'outside help' putting this list together. Some interesting choices, many questionable ones.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-100-greatest-metal-albums-of-all-time-w486923/eyehategod-take-as-needed-for-pain-1993-w486987

Author:  The One True Wretch [ Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rolling Stone's top 100 metal albums.....

Saw that earlier. The older albums are obvious but decent choices for the most part. Some of the newer stuff is dodgy enough. Or maybe it's just that I don't like them.

But really though, if you are compiling the greatest heavy metal albums and including artists from the 70's to the present day, the likes of the Marilyn Manson debut have no place being on that list.

Author:  robitusson [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:35 pm ]
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Stat_Rad wrote:
They probably got some 'outside help' putting this list together. Some interesting choices, many questionable ones.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-100-greatest-metal-albums-of-all-time-w486923/eyehategod-take-as-needed-for-pain-1993-w486987
Barely half a dozen releases from only 3 bands from metal's first decade? :?: False list is false.

The One True Wretch wrote:

But really though, if you are compiling the greatest heavy metal albums and including artists from the 70's to the present day, the likes of the Marilyn Manson debut have no place being on that list.
Right. The likes of Marilyn Manson may be an important personality by some metrics, but his very best output wouldn't trouble even a top 200 heavy metal albums of all time list.

Overall the proportion is all wrong. A proper list would be about 40% or 50% 1970s, 30/40% 1980s, 20% 1990s and whatever's left for the last 20 years or so.

Author:  opaline [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:35 pm ]
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robitusson wrote:
Overall the proportion is all wrong. A proper list would be about 40% or 50% 1970s, 30/40% 1980s, 20% 1990s and whatever's left for the last 20 years or so.


I would say the lower number of 70's inclusions is pretty understandable rob. Six might be a little low. I would suggest that there should probably be a couple more but there wasn't even 40 or 50 metal albums released in the entire 1970's like you're suggesting. Not even close! The first six Black Sabbath records, Judas Priest's run from "Sad Wings Of Destiny" through to "Unleashed In The East" & Motorhead's "Overkill" & "Bomber" are the only 70's records that should be considered in my opinion & the Motorhead ones are open for debate (personally I've never considered Motorhead to be a metal band). Plus the mid-80's to mid-90s's is surely the sweet spot for metal as a whole. I don't think there can be too much debate about that.

P.S. Including "No Remorse" in the list in a total cop-out.

Author:  Dr Yail Bloor [ Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:48 pm ]
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Can't wait for classic rocks '100 porno-grind albums you must own' list.


Fuck this shit though, seriously.

Author:  robitusson [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rolling Stone's top 100 metal albums.....

opaline wrote:
The first six Black Sabbath records, Judas Priest's run from "Sad Wings Of Destiny" through to "Unleashed In The East" & Motorhead's "Overkill" & "Bomber" are the only 70's records that should be considered in my opinion
:lol:

Oh wait. You're serious. :? :?

opaline wrote:
P.S. Including "No Remorse" in the list in a total cop-out.
Absolutely.

Author:  Stat_Rad [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rolling Stone's top 100 metal albums.....

Op is correct. Barely any real metal albums came out in the 70s. The 80s is when the genre really took off. 70s metal was embryonic.

You would have to include plenty of hard rock or prog albums from the 70s to make up 50%.

You are simply wrong Robit. Bottom line.

Author:  robitusson [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Rolling Stone's top 100 metal albums.....

The 60s was when it was embryonic. These are the impartial facts about when the genre name was coined and what it meant.

But even by today's narrow or revisionist definition of the term including 3 bands from the 70s in a 'top 100 metal albums' list is plain ridiculous.

Author:  Stat_Rad [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:16 am ]
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It wasn't recognised as a genre in the 60s. Who classifies as metal from the 60s?

You are so hard headed about this stuff at times. I'm not going to lose sleep over what metal supposedly meant in 1975 when there were barely any bands around.

Author:  robitusson [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:45 am ]
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Stat_Rad wrote:

You are so hard headed about this stuff at times.
I just don't like bullshit.

But if it's wrong as you say then correct the misunderstanding. Please provide evidence that there wasn't a meaningful concept of what heavy metal was by the beginning of the 70s. And also that there weren't bands and music being called heavy metal then.

Author:  Stat_Rad [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:59 am ]
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There isnt any evidence of the term used to describe a style of music before 1971 as far as I'm aware, but the early bands didn't identify themselves in those terms. Sabbath didn't.

Let's just say you are correct though, that it was a recognisable style by 1975, for argument's sake, can you honestly claim that 40-50% of the best metal albums were made before 1980? Especially considering that most of the bands we now recognise as classic made their mark in the 80s and early 90s?

Even if your concept of metal is correct, the numbers just don't add up. There simply weren't enough great or important metal albums released in the 70s.

Author:  robitusson [ Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:00 pm ]
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Of course bands didn't describe themselbes as 'heavy metal'. :roll: It was a initially a negative term coined by journos to be dismissive. it wasnt until later in the 70s that bands were happy to be described as metal and began using it themselves.

I'll spell it out. By the late 60s it had started to be used to talk about a musicalstyle. By 1970 it began to refer to a genre, albeit negatively. There were lots of other terms at the time - some called it downer rock, heavy rock, Lester Bangs talked about Sabbath's 'blitzkrieg sound', etc. etc. - the point being there was clearly a distinctive and individual sound emerging. But heavy metal as the principle moniker started to take hold - bands like Deep Purple & Sir Lord Baltimore were being called heavy metal by 1971. By 72 the term was fully recognisable and was even used in ways familiar to us now - like "metal monster". By the mid 70s in the press there were reviews on the state of metal and discussions on who the "kings of heavy metal" were!

It's not "my" concept of metal, it is the way it was. You act like I'm making this up out of spite or something.

Stat_Rad wrote:

Let's just say you are correct though, that it was a recognisable style by 1975, for argument's sake, can you honestly claim that 40-50% of the best metal albums were made before 1980?

Agreed. Especially from our point of view - i.e. underground specialists - that's true. It'd be a much lower proportion . There are so many sub-genres and splinters to consider, there would need to be a lot more from the 80s and 90s.

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