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Darth Fucking Vader
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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Green Man wrote:

Did you notice how I didn't refer to you as 'shallow'? That's because once I use the word 'shallow' as a name to address you, it becomes 'Shallow'.



In that particular case, "Shallow(thing)" is a proper noun, it's his username and the only name anyone on here knows him by.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Exactly.

Green Man wrote:
I hate to get into one of these grammar arguments.

Because you'll lose?

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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Shut up, Cunts.

No, definitely doesn't work.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
See, unless the "son" initially referred to is actually called "Son" (as in Son is his name) it's a small s.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Iron Steev wrote:
See, unless the "son" initially referred to is actually called "Son" (as in Son is his name) it's a small s.


It is a name when it is used as one. Any word becomes a name (like a nick name) when it is used to refer to somebody. Calling somebody "Son" is like calling them "Sonny boy". Same goes for:

Painkiller wrote:
Shut up, Cunts.

No, definitely doesn't work.


According to Shallowthing and Steev that should be "Shut up, cunts."


But no, it's like this:

"Those people are cunts"

vs

"Hey, Cunt, come here!"

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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Shallowthing wrote:
Exactly.

Green Man wrote:
I hate to get into one of these grammar arguments.

Because you'll lose?



Stop trying to wind me up!


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Green Man wrote:
Iron Steev wrote:
See, unless the "son" initially referred to is actually called "Son" (as in Son is his name) it's a small s.


It is a name when it is used as one. Any word becomes a name (like a nick name) when it is used to refer to somebody.

This is just flat-out wrong, and I can't understand how you've formed this bizarre idea.

Lawn, are you out there? Is this really a Canadian thing, or is Green being brain-damaged again?

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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Shallowthing wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Iron Steev wrote:
See, unless the "son" initially referred to is actually called "Son" (as in Son is his name) it's a small s.


It is a name when it is used as one. Any word becomes a name (like a nick name) when it is used to refer to somebody.

This is just flat-out wrong, and I can't understand how you've formed this bizarre idea.

Lawn, are you out there? Is this really a Canadian thing, or is Green being brain-damaged again?


Yes, because Lawn represents the Canadian education system.








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Does anyone SERIOUSLY get bothered or upset by anything said on here?


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Oh, Eater Of Cake, you are such a card.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Shallowthing wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Iron Steev wrote:
See, unless the "son" initially referred to is actually called "Son" (as in Son is his name) it's a small s.


It is a name when it is used as one. Any word becomes a name (like a nick name) when it is used to refer to somebody.

This is just flat-out wrong, and I can't understand how you've formed this bizarre idea.

Lawn, are you out there? Is this really a Canadian thing, or is Green being brain-damaged again?


Found some stuff online that supports what GM is saying, could be a North American thing or those sites are wrong too.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Link?

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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 6012607360

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Dad_a_proper_noun

http://englishguide.us/nouns/proper-and-common-nouns


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
US English then, I guess. Seems rather counter-intuitive, but English as a whole is guilty of that, so I guess we shouldn't complain.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
None of those links support Green's point, though.

As far as I am concerned, "son" only ever gets capitalised at the beginning of a sentence, or as part of a title. I believe you're supposed to capitalise it when referring to the second person of the Trinity as well, but who gives a shit what the child-bumming bead-rattlers think?

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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Shallowthing wrote:
None of those links support Green's point, though.

As far as I am concerned, "son" only ever gets capitalised at the beginning of a sentence, or as part of a title. I believe you're supposed to capitalise it when referring to the second person of the Trinity as well, but who gives a shit what the child-bumming bead-rattlers think?


There were other, similar links about capitalizing nicknames, which do support his point. I can't link as I'm on my phone.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
"Son" isn't a nickname, though. "Shallow", "Dee", "Green" - these all get capitalised because we have hijacked those words and made them into proper nouns. "Son" doesn't.

Written correctly, the phrase that Wretch originally wanted should have read: "Proper heavy metal is man's music, son."

Another example: "Fetch the paper, maid." The person the phrase is addressed to is the maid, but maid does not receive a capital letter.

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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Nicknames are different, though - a nickname functions as a name, so becomes a proper noun for that purpose. If your nickname is "Chubby" - everyone calls you that, and it's known that when I say that name I'm talking about you - then I'd capitalise it, but if I'm just picking chubby as an adjective because you're a fat cunt, I wouldn't. It doesn't automatically become a proper noun just because I'm calling you it, as Green seems to be suggesting.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
Correct.

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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
I think I have caught some Green Man.


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Post Re: Wrasslin' (Jerry The King's Spoilers ahead)
I should probably point out that the words "mum" and "dad" follow the same rules as nicknames - they're not capitalised when used as an informal noun ("I have murdered my mum and dad. Free at last!"), but they are capitalised when used as a proper noun ("I have murdered Mum and Dad. Free at last!").

"Son" is different, especially in the context in which Wretch employed it - it stays uncapitalised. "Put the axe down, son!" I suspect this is because "mum" and "dad" are honorific forms of address, whereas "son" (and presumably "daughter") are not.

Father to son: "Proper heavy metal is man's music, son."
Son to father: "Proper heavy metal is man's music, Dad."

Oxford Dictionaries Online on "dad", and on "son".

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